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 | johnwolfe.
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 15 SPNCERPORT,NY 
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2003-08-24 62579
does anyone know of an alternative to the jd back hoes,something a bit more inexpensive? i cant really afford one if they are 5-7 grand.i guess i would have to just hire out that type of work. but it sure would come in handy and im sure i could find more uses for it than i imagine.
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley 
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2003-08-25 62632
Woods and Bradco are names that come to mind. There are others, and there was an Italian manufactured hoe discussed here awhile back that has a pretty good price. There are names like Kelly that make moderate priced hoes but the question for any after-market manufacturer is if a sub-frame is available for the tractor. 3ph hoes cost less but are more stressful on the tractor and serious damage from them has been discussed. ....
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2003-08-25 62662
John I've mulled this question over most of today after reading it last night.
My thoughts are yes there are a lot of lower prices hoes avaiable. I just saw a used Arps 3ph for sale $2000.
I used a Arps, model 28? It attached to the 3ph and I chained it down at the drawbar. It was all over the back of the tractor and I had several rather sudden jolts when there was a good solid load and a root broke and the whole thing bouncded into the air and came down solid. I became very concerned about the tractor mounting points and the castings. As TomG said there are several treads about this.
I could not justify the cost of replacing an entire casting. Let alone how long tractor would be down waiting for parts. I looked at commercial backhoes (USED) in the range of $4000-$8000 all needed a lot of work and hyd hoses and oil get expensive fast.
I bit the bullet took all of the kids milk money plus a little I had stached and went dealing at JD for a 48. Actually ended up finiancing 100% thru a special rate.
It was one of the best decisions I have made. It goes on and off easy, it is a rock solid hook up, I have no worries about breaking tractor castings.
Bottom line: you may spend a little more up front now but you will have a solid piece of equipment that will hold its value. In 10 years you trade both and you will probably get your entire investment back plus you used it for 10 years.
PS this is an edit: I tried to get a hoe to come in for a couple hours of work. Good thing I did not hold my breath waiting. Most want all day work or trucking fees... ....
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| JOHNWOLFE.
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2003-08-25 62663
THANKS GUYS,I GUESS ILL HAVE TO JUST START SAVING MY MONEY BUT ITS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE!!! A LOT OF UNEXPECTED BREAK DOWNS HAVE HAPPENED LATELY SO MONEY IS AGAIN AT A PREMIUM.GOOD THING I CAN WRENCH!! ....
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| harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY
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2003-08-25 62671
John nothing wrong with wrenching. For many years it was the only way I kept my stuff running. I still know how and have all the tools I'm smart enough to use. YEA YEA YEA I know 1 hammer and a screwdriver for prying and chiesling...
I still do all the work except the electronics and I HATE exaust work.
I really think you will like the JD once you figure out how the steal the kids lunch and milk money, school clothes, dental...
Harvey
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| JOHNWOLFE.
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2003-08-26 62693
i was afraid of the new cars my self with all the computers and sensors and what not,but after having no alternative i dived into them and if you have a dealers shop manuel they arent too bad. i was surprised by how detailed the info in a good shop book was. nothing at all like a chiltons or hayes,those books are fairly useless. keep on wrenchin harv,its a hell of lot cheaper!! JW ....
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| harvey
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2003-08-26 62694
John The shop manuals are the first thing I get as I sign the contracts.
The shop manuals along with the detailed parts book showed me all I needed, (plus I picked a couple of mechanics brains) to change the valving around on the 48 hoe to suit me. (See dipper cylinder).
I still do all the brake work and the cars are new enough not to need major repair. Only my old Farmall requires lots of heavy repair and I work at that a little at a time during the winter.
I do most of the maintenence of our live bottm & dump fleet at work during the off season. The main shop does all of the drive line and brake work.
Greasy finger nails are a good thing... ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2003-08-26 62704
And don't forget the busted knuckles and contortionist acts, but I don't think I'd call them 'good.' Oh that exhaust work.
I can't say what a help a parts manual is. The exploded parts diagrams give the location and proper assembly of every bolt, nut and washer on a tractor. I wonder how many times I've finished a job and 'OOPS there's something still in the parts pail. Yikes, now where'd that come from!' At least with a parts manual you can figure it out. ....
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